Raw Show transcripts – march 2021 – Awakening vs. Awareness with Jen Pearson Unknown Speaker 0:02 Welcome to grinding journey. I’m Cris Greer, Unknown Speaker 0:06 as a 40 something Unknown Speaker 0:06 mom is Hizzoner Unknown Speaker 0:09 yoga lover, Unknown Speaker 0:10 and long time spiritual seeker. I’ve been craving deeper conversations, the kind that arise from connections with other women who are on a similar journey. My purpose with grani journey is to provide a space where we can have real, fulfilling and sacred conversations. Cris Greer 0:31 Welcome to today’s episode of grounding journey. I’m your host, Cris Greer. And I’m so excited to have Jen Pearson here with me today. She is a mnemonic breathwork. And that when I read her bio that, you know, I found all about her and I’m like, Oh, that sounds so interesting. And so she wanted to talk about awareness. And I think that breathwork and awareness go hand in hand. So I’m so excited to talk about that with you today. Jen, welcome. Unknown Speaker 0:58 Thanks. Thanks for having me. I’m excited to be here, too. Unknown Speaker 1:00 Yeah, well, you know, one of the fun Unknown Speaker 1:02 things when we kind of did our little intro call before, Jen actually only live like two and a half hours away from me. And Cris Greer 1:07 and that was so exciting to me, because I was like, Oh, I really want to learn more about breathwork. And you’re so close to me. So once this whole COVID thing lifts, I’m like, I want to come meet you. And I’m so used to having people far away and other states on the podcast. So I’m really excited that like, you’re in the same timezone the same state. Like it’s super exciting to have you here today. Yeah, Unknown Speaker 1:30 it’s funny how that virtual world that made everything so small. Now, it seems like it’s so huge, because I do the same thing. I’ll get clients, a lot of times they’re in California, they’re, you know, sometimes even in England, and then I meet somebody who lives you know, 20 minutes down the road, and I’m like, Oh, my gosh, Cris Greer 1:48 make that connection. Forget they’re there. Yeah, well, it makes that opportunity to actually connect with them on a personal level, and you actually are where my brother lives, too. So I’d come to you first. But I was like, oh, like, you’re where I had family and stuff. And I thought that was super exciting. Nice. Unknown Speaker 2:07 Yeah. So let’s jump Cris Greer 2:08 into your journey with awareness. Because awareness, you know, I think, the difference between awareness and awakening, because I think, to some people, they can have the same meaning. But I love that you wanted to talk about awareness, because I think awakening, there’s so much pressure, because it sounds like one big experience where awareness is such a journey. And so I really want to kind of dig into, like, tell us a little bit more about you and your journey of coming into awareness. And I know, that’s a huge question. So let’s start with tell us a little bit more about you like the real gin. Unknown Speaker 2:45 Yeah. So I mean, I agree with you, I think that awakening seems like a one time event, like you awaken. And then what happens after you awake. But awareness is an ongoing thing, you’re aware of things all day. So as you’re going through your day, like you’re aware of what time it is, you’re aware of the aches and pains in your body, you’re aware of your thought processes, hopefully, you know, all these different things. And so awareness can open up so many doors on so many levels. And it may lead to an awakening or what some people think of as an awakening, but it means a lot more to me. And you know, when I was a kid, I was always really sensitive, I would like, be really well affected by other people’s energy and just felt overwhelmed a lot of anxiety, that kind of thing. And I don’t think that the people around me really quite knew how to handle it. You know, it was one of those things like, well, you’re anxious, what what are you anxious for, instead of like, kids can just be anxious. And so there was a lot of lack of awareness, I would say is maybe a way to put it because there just wasn’t that direction. There wasn’t you know, as a kid, if if an adult says it to you, that’s the law. That’s the way it is because they know everything. And so it wasn’t until I was probably in college, or maybe even grad school before I really started a journey of finding more about, like, what all this means in my life, you know, finding more healing, alternative healing and things that weren’t just the mainstream that everybody in my neighborhood did. And you know, so so exploring more and becoming aware of what resonated with me, not just like, what, what’s normal, what do people like to do? What does everybody else do, but like what feels right to me, was a big difference. And that was really awakening. But that was something that really like made me aware that there’s more out there. There’s something to this and the first time that I really had a huge shift was my cat is about to knock my computer over. Cris Greer 4:46 On the floor next to me, you’ll hear him wind in a minute. Unknown Speaker 4:48 I was really into it today. The first time that I had a really big shift. I had met a friend here when I moved to Asheville, so I’m in I grew up in Baltimore, and Baltimore County in Maryland. I moved kind of slowly down the coast more or less, and I ended up in Asheville, North Carolina. That’s where I got my first job. And so I have lived here now for about 1516 years. But a friend of mine that I met when I was here, she was really into a lot of like, alternative stuff. And everybody here when I moved here was like a hippie. And you’d hear these stories, like I came here, because the spirits of the mountain called me, and I was like, I came here because I got a job, I don’t know, you know, so I was not in that like enlightened group at all, when I first moved here. And because I just had never been exposed to it wasn’t something you know, maybe you see it here and there, like the kooky character in a movie, but not like people that I was really around on a regular basis. And so it was the kind of thing I was like, intrigued by, but I wasn’t sure how much was like too weird, and how much of it was legit. And a friend of mine was into everything. And so she was like, there’s this healer that I would love for you to go see. And she does hands on healing and energy work. And I didn’t know any of it was. And she’s like, she’s kind of like, think of her like a spiritual counselor, but she does body work. And I’m like, I don’t know what this is. But I’m gonna go check it out, because I trust this friend. And so I went and we had this amazing session, where she reached levels of healing that like, normal stuff, you know, therapy, anxiety, meds, none of that was able to touch. And so working more with her and finding more about acupuncture, and I started to become aware of, there’s more to me than what I see on the outside. And I don’t just mean like our thoughts, but like this energetic being, this being that expands beyond the life that I understand the life that I can see the life that most of us, you know, know. And so having that awareness and exploring those things, and giving myself the freedom, you know, really to explore was where that awareness started. And it was baby steps. And there was a lot of questioning of like, is this something but you, when you have those experiences, you just know it, you just know, there’s something to it. And that’s what would lead me to explore more about it. So you know, there’s something to this, what can I learn about it? Or where can I go from here or what’s what’s coming next. That’s kind of how my journey always goes. And I would say the shamanic breathwork, the kind of breath work that I facilitate is, is something that really opened awareness on like, a whole different levels for me, you know, I’m like spiritual levels and emotional levels and all kinds of stuff like that. It just, it’s, it’s wild. I love it. So I would I would love to, to answer any questions that you have about it. Cris Greer 7:35 Absolutely. Well, let’s, it’s funny, because I’m so engaged and listening to you. I’m like, the thought went through, I’m like, crap, she’s gonna stop talking to him in it, I’m gonna have to ask the question. And I, you know, like, normally in an interview, you’re kind of like pre thinking, what you’re going to ask, and I’m like, Oh, this is gonna happen. And here we are. So one of the things that I really liked that you talked about is that it is a journey of what’s next. And I think that there are lots of listeners out there who are in that spot of, Okay, I feel there’s something I know, there’s something I don’t know what it is, and I don’t know how to find it. So tell me a little bit about, obviously, you have this friend who introduced you to a healer. But what did it look like for you once you started exploring? Like, for me, I explore through books, and things just come. And that’s the next step for me. But what do you how do you get led to what’s next for you, Unknown Speaker 8:32 it’s really kind of an intuitive process. And the more that I’ve come to have practices of like meditation, or mindfulness, or breathwork, or whatever it is, the more that I get to know that little intuitive voice, I really did not know what she sounded like between, you know, the one to listen to, and the one to ignore, for a long time, the one to ignore, I think it was quite prominent, but you can learn to listen to that. And so a lot of the process was just learning the discernment of what’s that good wisdom inside of you? And what’s that piece that is just afraid and scared, and, you know, not wanting to move forward. So a lot of my journey has involved that and I just kind of like to be open to what leads me to the next thing. So if I go to that healer for energy work, and she’s like, Hey, have you ever heard of books by this person? Or have you ever watched this podcast? Or did you ever listen to, you know, Abraham Hicks, like any of that stuff? And I’m like, What? I have no idea and most of the time, my answer is I have no idea what is that? So then I started finding these other things and exploring and I’m open to anything so I will explore any of it and some of it will stick and some of it doesn’t. And some of it I feel like I was drawn to that for something. Let me like put that book on a shelf and come back to it or just know it’s there because I feel like sometimes a lot of the stuff that I do Now, if you presented that to me, right years ago, I would have been like, You are crazy, there is no way like, That’s insane. And so you have to kind of go through that process. And it is kind of an intuitive process of finding, what’s your path versus what someone else’s path, like you’re really drawn to books, but somebody else might be really drawn to podcasts, you know, something more auditory, or maybe they like to watch something or walk in nature, you know, like, some people are really resistant to having other people help them. And I see that a lot online on Facebook communities, it’s like, I don’t want anyone to help me, the process is all within and everything is within. And yes, all of your healing power is within, but you can’t always see it. So sometimes you need that person to be the mirror, you know, you look in the mirror, and you see this part of you, and it’s like, there’s your face and your face looks lovely, or you’re doing your hair, you know, women understand this, you’re doing your hair, you’re in front of the mirror, everything looks awesome. And then you hold up that mirror like behind you the double mirror things. So you can see it in your like, there’s a whole bald spot back there, or that whole section is straight, and I just curled my hair, you can’t see those pieces sometimes until someone’s there to hold up that mirror. So having someone there to hold that mirror to point you out in that direction to give you perspective, and just to say, Hey, did you look at this? And you might say, Yeah, I want that piece straight. Okay, well keep that piece straight, while the rest is curly. That’s your thing, you go for it. But you might be like, Oh my god, I had no idea. Um, so now I know how to work with this. And now I know how to go forward and curl my hair all the way around my head, you know, whatever. That’s an analogy. But like, you kind of sometimes I think you need that mirror, you can’t always see it, or you don’t always know where your blind spots are, until you’re shown. And so I can show you that mirror. And I can show you and that’s what I do with coaching and with clients, and even energy work, but I can show you that blind spot. But you have to decide, now you have the awareness, what are you going to do about it? Unknown Speaker 12:00 Well, and I love that you brought up that topic, because that’s a conversation in the fact of Unknown Speaker 12:05 finding it within Unknown Speaker 12:06 finding it without, you know, outside of you. Because I have a girl who I admire a lot, she’s kind of a Cris Greer 12:14 co counsel source that I talked to him a lot. And she started working with a new coach and was just singing the praises of this coach and wanted me to have a call and meet with a coach. And so I started talking to the coach just as an intro call. And she was adamant about, you don’t read about it, you find it from within, like, when you read stuff, you you take on other people’s opinions, and like, it was almost offensive how adamant she was that I was doing it wrong by reading books or listening to other things. And I just thought, No, like for me. And I traditionally when I sit down to read a book, I say to my guides, you know, let me take what’s beneficial to me and leave the rest. And I’ll be reading a chapter and notice that I haven’t absorbed like a page. And then I go back and I reread the page and still don’t absorb any of it. I’m like, Oh, this isn’t for me right now, you know, but then like, I’m three pages later, and I read the page, and I’m so engrossed in it. And I really believe that listening to books, audio books, listening to podcast, reading stuff, it’s one of those and this may be some of my time in 12 step programs, you know, take what you like and leave the rest. See what resonates with you feel it. I’m a big body filler. You know, like, that’s where a lot of my I used to be here my intuition. And now I’m really at a stage where I’m trying to connect with my body. So I’m feeling it more. And like, if you can see me out, yeah, this whole body thing. But I think it’s just finding that resonation What if you read a page three times, and it doesn’t make sense that’s not for you. Like I said, put the book back and come back to it later. And I love books just because I can write it on. And then I can go back and be like, oh, that resonated to me. Right? Unknown Speaker 14:06 Well, and sometimes you go back and you’re like, what was I thinking then? Or who was that girl? Yeah, kind of funny to see how far you grow without realizing it when you have these little baby steps on the journey. And I think, you know, I think books are fine. I think that, you know, what’s the difference between reading a book and talking to somebody if you are taking it. Now, if you’re reading a book, and you’re saying this is the instruction manual, and this is the way to do it. Yes, I think that’s probably not the best method, but neither is my coach said and this is the only method and you know, I feel like you have to find your method, you have to find what sticks for you. And that’s really a big piece of my coaching strategy. And the way that I work with clients is I like to give you kind of the the crash course. The my group program is actually called the crash course and self discovery and transformation. And it’s all about like, how do you find what goes with you and so each week is something different and Some people are going to find a week where they’re like, this is my jam. I love it. Because I want to dig, you know, dig more into this give me all the resources I can. And there’s other people who are going to be like, Nah, that’s, that’s not really my thing. But let’s hear what’s next week. And you have to find what, what you how you receive the information. And so if your awareness is I read it, and I find it and I’m inspired by it. And that’s, you know, I think there’s always a way for books for other people for other teachings to be that mirror. Yeah, I think that if it resonates with you, and you read it in that book, there was a piece of you that was already kind of almost thinking that thought, and then now is there in words in front of you. And so that’s where that kind of comes from. So I don’t I don’t see why anything can’t open us up and make us more aware of, of our truth. Really. Cris Greer 15:47 I love that. And I think that just being aware, it is that being aware that you don’t know at all, you know, not being the teenage stage of your life, being aware that there’s something greater than you, and being open to finding that instead of being stuck. You know, and that’s part of the chakra, isn’t it? We’re going to talk about anatomy of the spirit and the bonus episode. And I love how Carolyn Miss really goes through a different level of it and sort of kind of glancing through stuff before I call and where she talks about the sake role. Or and I’m sorry, solar plexus of just the awareness and not being stuck within yourself, but acknowledging your own power, but knowing there’s some guidance out there too. And I think that’s really neat. Unknown Speaker 16:34 Yeah, well, and you have the power. So like I said, with the the doing your hair analogy, you are having a you now have the awareness you’ve seen in the mirror, you know what your hair looks like back there that you couldn’t see before. But you have the power to choose what you do about it. Mm hmm. So you have the power to say, Okay, well, it’s it didn’t work. Now I need to go get the tools to make it work. Or now I need to learn there’s something new I need to learn is how to do the back of my hair or you know, whatever, whatever your tool is, and maybe you’re learning, you know how to open up and be more intuitive. And maybe you’re learning how to hear that little inner voice or maybe you’re learning whatever it is. But sometimes you need someone else to hold the mirror first. Cris Greer 17:16 And sometimes when we’re not willing to have somebody hold the mirror, they become the mirror. Yeah, you know, and there’s things that I, I’ve had the honor of working with a shaman a couple of times, and I was struggling through something and she’s with somebody, and she’s like, what are they mirroring to you? I’m like nothing. And then I left and I’m like, Okay, let me really dive into that. Let me think, where is that for me. And that’s one of those other things is, is allowing that space to see, you know, I think awareness, I found this quote. And it’s self awareness doesn’t stop you from making mistakes, it allows you to learn from them. Unknown Speaker 18:02 Yeah, yeah, you start to be I think, the more that you’re aware of the things that that you don’t always see. And the more that you’re open to finding those little pieces, because some, some people just don’t want to be aware, some people would rather you not put the mirror up, and they know what their hair looks like, you know, some people don’t want to do that. So finding that does give you a certain amount of power, it does give you that that little extra glimpse. And you know, it does. Cris Greer 18:30 Sorry, I’m all disruptive over here. Yeah, I mean, I love that you said some people are not wanting to be aware. And that’s a struggle to when you’re diving so deep into your own journey and your awareness. And the people around you are not on that journey. And that’s one of the reasons I’ve created this podcast. Yeah. For those of us a hand raised, who were surrounded by people we love, but aren’t on the same journey as us and not trying to force feed our journey. But having somebody to connect to so that we can not feel alone on our journey. Like why I’m so excited, you’re two hours away, like hey, I can have somebody to go chat with, you know, I so look forward to the time when we can in person retreats again, and live events and things like that, so that it’s not all virtual, like we’ve all made the best of it, but I look forward to when we can be together again. And Unknown Speaker 19:25 yeah, it’s a different energy when you’re immersing Yeah, and I get what you’re saying, you know, it is really frustrating when you can see like, those of us who are on that path, like the self help junkies and who are like give me more inner work, you know, we have a different perspective. We are really like we love that like it can be painful, but we know the beauty that comes out of the other side. And we know the transformation and the progress that we made and the joy that just comes from that kind of work. And so when you see somebody who you know who you love, who is 100% capable of doing the work and they are just totally not in interested, it’s really frustrating. It’s really hard. And that I mean, that was a lot of what drove me to this work when I was married. So when I was married my ex, he was just completely not interested. didn’t even want awareness. Like if you even thought about it, get out of his face, forget it. And, you know, eventually that was leading me deeper and deeper into opening things up and to finding more healing and defining more growth. And I just wasn’t the person that I was anymore. And I couldn’t, I couldn’t be in that situation of me trying to grow and bloom and find awareness of all of my stuff and work on it and get it out. While someone else was sitting there. I was just like, Well, no, I’m just gonna watch the game or whatever, whatever disassociation was going on that day. And you know, he couldn’t the same thing. You know, he’s like, No, I just want to disassociate. Why are you Why are you still bothering me with this? So it just wasn’t, it wasn’t something where we were going to make it work out. And it really is frustrating. And I think there are I mean, that was an extreme example, there are people who can be on their journey, while other people aren’t on the same journey, but are respectful of it and can you know, be together, but I yeah, that that was really what started me in to all this exploration. Yeah. Unknown Speaker 21:24 You know, I think that’s, I’m excited. You brought that up, because I don’t want to like break into marriage counseling. But Unknown Speaker 21:30 my husband and Cris Greer 21:30 I just had this conversation. And I think that you and I having this conversation will help somebody who’s listening. So my husband love him so much. You see the smile on my face? Yes, I Unknown Speaker 21:43 confirm for anyone who can’t see you. Cris Greer 21:46 I truly love him. But he’s a special soul. Not on a journey this life. He has no desire to be on a journey this life. And I knew that about him when we got married because one of my bestest girlfriends made the comment one day about how much work he had to do. And I’m like, No, this isn’t his life. Like, and I won’t go back into his past lives and stuff have discovered but I, some days, I’m totally okay with the fact that this is his life, just to figure out how to live not to dive into his journey. And other days, I just want to shake him. But he’s, he’s great about when I talked to him. He doesn’t stare at me, like I have, you know, six heads. He only stares at me like I have one and a half. But one of the other conversations I had with one of my girlfriends is she was seeing a guy and made the comment about that she wanted it to go deeper conversations, and he just wasn’t in that place. And that, how could I be in a relationship with somebody who wasn’t, you know, ready for those kinds of conversations. And one of the things that I and not to say anything, cuz I don’t know your relationship at all. But one of the things that I really realized is that we have all these different people in our lives, because they fit different facets of our lives. And I know when I was married to my first husband, he and I were on such different planes. And we needed to divorce for me to go into my spiritual journey, because like that was part of the requirement. And maybe that’s what it was for you. Because going through that is what sent me deeper, as you start to say, Unknown Speaker 23:28 Yeah, I feel like I don’t, I don’t regret the time that we were together. Like, I wouldn’t ever want to rekindle that. But I don’t regret that time at all, because it did lead me down this path. And I don’t know that I would have been pushed to go to all of the kinds of healing and all of the kinds of books I read, and all of the kinds of, you know, things I listened to and everything that I did, I don’t know that I would have taken the time to go that deep if I didn’t really feel like I needed to do that work at that time, because I was kind of carrying. And there’s, you know, codependency all kinds of good stuff you become aware of as you go through this, but I was kind of caring for the two of us, I was trying to take care of the relationship from both sides of it, because he wasn’t really able to do that. And so that that was another thing that comes up, you know, in the awareness as you’re doing the healing, and you feel like you’re the one doing everything right. And then they’re like, actually, you’re you can’t take care of him. You know, you can give care, but you can’t. You can’t take it and so you need that other person to be, you know, taking some of that to or giving some of that to. Yeah, Unknown Speaker 24:36 absolutely. I Cris Greer 24:37 mean, because my divorce is what sent me to my dark night, which I never knew what it was until I was the other side of it looking back going, huh. That’s what people talk about. And I think that part of it. You know, as I have healed through that I have done the work and I’m able to be happily married to Matthew what Part of what I’ve realized in my own personal awareness is that God puts different people in our lives for different reasons. Like I have a very dear friend who is my spiritual sister. And, you know, when anything huge happens, I want to call her and talk to her about it. And I’ll tell Matthew about it, because it happens at like eight o’clock at night when Unknown Speaker 25:19 I’m reading or Cris Greer 25:20 when I’ve just thought of something. And he listens. And I’m like, ah, they’re not giving me like conversation. He’s like, well, I honor what you, you know, because I’ve trained them enough to say, I honor what you feel. And I’m like, Yeah, but you’re, you’re just looking at me. But I think that’s part of that awareness for me, was being like, Okay, my husband is this person in my life. He’s my partner. He’s my business partner. He’s my support. He’s who I go to first. I have a soul sister, she’s where I get my spiritual conversations from. Right? I have my sister Sister, you know, and that’s part of, Unknown Speaker 25:55 I don’t know how I got so off track. Cris Greer 25:56 But, you know, talking about not putting all the pressure on one relationship, right? and allowing yourself to have those different aspects with people is the awareness of just what people are at your life? Unknown Speaker 26:09 Yeah, and what you need to. So you know, it’s helpful to know that and that could be why we both the first marriage was the one that didn’t work. And you know, this one you’re well more prepared for, because you got awareness from that first marriage of, you know, what does that mean? What does that look like? And I think that when we’re young, and everyone around us is getting married, and, you know, you kind of get this like, oh, when is it my turn, you know, you start to feel like you’re missing out. And you have this, a lot of us, I mean, not everybody, but a lot of us have a completely unrealistic or on an educated idea of what marriage is going to be and who your partner is going to be. Maybe you’re not married, but who your like your partner is yes, and who you are and where you’re going. Because when, when we’re in our 20s, like most of us are when we get married, or early 30s, or whatever, and you really haven’t figured it out, but you think you have, you haven’t met enough of those mirrors yet to really get it. And so I feel like those relationships sometimes need to be that like, in depth every day deep, deep mirror for you to have that awareness of You know what, I thought this is what it was, but actually, this is what I need, or this is what you need, or this is what we need to make together. Yeah, I definitely think that can happen. I think that happens in friendships, too. Not marriages. But yeah, Cris Greer 27:33 yeah, for sure. Because you have those friendships that evolve and change or, you know, there’s that poem a season a reason or a lifetime. Yes, that people are in your life for a season a reason or a lifetime. And it’s so true. Yeah, it’s powerful. And I think it to bring it back to just kind of this summer of our last few moments of conversation. I think awareness is so beautiful when and this was something I was reading in anatomy of the Spirit talking about heart chakra, is that healing out of the victim mode. So you and I can both be like, Yeah, I was in a marriage wasn’t great. But I learned a lot. And I’m grateful for the time. And so having that awareness of it was a lesson. And it was a necessity to happen to get me to be the person I am now. And the person I am now may not be who I am tomorrow, but it’s who I’m supposed to be right now. So it’s that awareness of gratitude for the journey, the ups and downs, the highs and lows. Unknown Speaker 28:31 Yeah, yeah. And I think that that kind of mindset to when you can get to that point. And it doesn’t mean that like, that’s where I was the day that we were, you know, God separate, definitely not this, it’s a journey. But you know, that when you can get to that mindset, and when you can get to that thing is such a better place than if you’re in that mindset of regret, or that mindset of what’s the word I want, like, I was thinking like revenge, but that’s not the right way. That phase two, but there are people who, like hold such resentment and anger and like how could you waste these years of my life, and I just don’t believe that any time is wasted. And like, what I have chosen to go through that, well, if the option was go through that, and not have the life I have now or not go through that and still be living the life I was living, then I would still go through it, I would, you know, I would do it again to get to where I am. And so I think that the mindset shift is really a big one. And that can happen, we can get stuck in some really like crappy sad victim mindsets that that take away our power, that that really take away our power. And the more we can be aware of those mindsets, the more we’re able to choose to fix them. Cris Greer 29:43 Well, and it’s there’s a level of healing and I’m going to use the word maturity, but not in like adult maturity but in life, maturity, of the healing that comes to be able to look back at our hard times and They, yeah, I do it again because it got me to be who I am. It helped me discover this or that and my journey. And that’s one of the things I really try to focus on. And when I’m going through something difficult, I’ve been through enough things that I look back. And then like, yeah, okay, it was worth it so that when I’m going through something difficult and like, this really sucks, but in like three weeks, I’m going to understand and it’s going to be worth it. Unknown Speaker 30:28 Right, maybe longer, we can hope it’s three weeks. That sounds pretty good. Yeah, but it is true. You know, you kind of get to see it happens. Like you said, it happens enough, that you start to get to see that there is some bigger plan, there is some better purpose and there becomes this trust of it sucks now, but I know it’s getting me to a better place. Cris Greer 30:48 Right? And I think that’s all awareness. It’s being, you know, it’s like it said, awareness doesn’t stop you from making mistakes, but it allows you to learn from them. So learning from each experience, and looking at it with grace and gratitude. Grace is like one of my favorite words. Yeah. So having that space for it. Unknown Speaker 31:11 Absolutely. Cris Greer 31:13 We’ve touched on healing. And so I know that your Reiki Master love Reiki, I love crystals. But let’s talk about because my two experiences with the shaman, were like you said healing bodywork sessions. And they were so powerful. And they catapulted me further down my journey and an hour like catapulted nine months worth of regular work. So let’s talk about because I know that so much, and I come at breathwork from yoga. So Yoga is lifeforce. It’s also how we release things. Let’s talk a little bit about demonic breathwork. And the healing that I think that it causes or not causes. releases Ignite. Unknown Speaker 31:57 Yes, yeah, it is, it does. And, you know, breath is really the fastest way to move energy. And you learn that in yoga, and you learn that in energy work. And so when I have someone on the table, when I do energy work, I am a Reiki Master. And I always start with Reiki energy, because it’s like this pure source energy, I’m not using my energy, I’m not taking their energy, I’m not manipulating, I’m just letting the source energy do its job. And I start with that, but then I call in my spirit guides, and their spirit guides and you know, these these demonic guides a lot of times to say like, where do we need to go, show me what I need to see, tell me what I need to say, you know, help me see what I need to see, say what I need to say and do what I need to do to bring the highest healing possible. And that’s my kind of thing that I say at the start of a session. And a lot of times I would find, you know, clients who have really like a tightness in their chest or this weird spot where they just are like, holding everything still. And I would have to tell that like breathe into that spot. And just taking a few deep breaths and being aware of that tension and having that breath go through. They’re like, Oh my God, this opened up this whole other realm. Like now I’m thinking of that thing that happened to that one time that I needed to, you know, and so they’re able to, like open up into this other kind of healing and other kind of awareness. And so it started with that as I was doing energy work and learning about breathing. And then as I was doing more meditation and more energy work, there was more shamanic theme of coming up things about just kinds of stuff. And so one of my mentors, one of my teachers that I was working with, like shamanism and breathing just kept coming up. And I saw this event at a local yoga center. And it was like shamanic immersion with breathwork. And I was like, I have to go, I know nothing about it. But everything that I was learning about. And it was just this wild experience, but it wasn’t, there was no way to ground it, there was no way to integrate it, like I had this wild, crazy experience. But I would liken it to like, some sort of psychedelic experience, and then just coming off of it, and what do you do with that? You know, and, and I felt like it felt almost dangerous. Like, I don’t feel grounded, I don’t feel I don’t know what to do with this, and the people who facilitated it, were not able to help me with that. So clearly, there was some power to this, because all I was doing was breathing. And I had this insane experience. And then, you know, I needed to kind of find somebody who could help me know what that was help me, you know, make sense of it in some way that I could put those pieces together and you know, not not make sense of it. Like, I don’t think you can ever totally make sense of it. There’s always some sort of mystery to it, which is part of the fun and the magic of it. But, you know, I needed to find somebody else. And so I kept looking and it was like a two year journey to find. shamanic breathwork which is shamanic breathwork is copyrighted. That is Linda star, Wolf’s baby. That’s what she has put together and so shamanic breathwork is it comes from holotropic breathwork, which is probably the closest thing that It’s related to, and integrative breathwork and rebirthing, breathwork, and some Seneca wolf clan teachings. So there’s all of these things kind of put together to make sure monic breath work. And what it is in the process is that you’re using this circular breath pattern in and out in and out with no break. And that helps to put you into a state of altered consciousness. And there’s also music with it. So with demonic breathwork, there’s the breathing, but there’s also the music. So you have this loud music and the music is attuned to the chakras. So it takes you on this journey, and you’re kind of like, you know, different music sets are set for different things. So maybe in one set, you’re you’re there to just like, shake out all the crap that your body is holding on to, you know, you’re physically energetically shake it all out, and then open you up to what’s coming next. And another set might be to just, you know, Unknown Speaker 35:52 connect with your guides, or whatever it is, but some of them can be really intense healing. And you can have these rebirthing moments where you are letting go of old patterns and making room for what’s coming next, almost like a cord cutting in a way. It’s, it’s wild. And it it goes for like two hours. So you’re really like immersed in it. And sometimes it feels like it was three weeks, and you’ve you’ve come out, you know, worse for wear, like you just woke up from, you know, hibernation, and then other times, it’s like, How can that be done was that like 10 minutes. And so it’s really, it’s different every time you do it. Everybody’s journeys are different. Some people are super visual, some people feel like they sleep through it, and you always kind of, you know, get what you need on that journey. And it does for me, it brought me into a different kind of awareness than I ever had before. And I can sometimes go through a breathwork journey and feel like in two hours, I’ve gone through three years of therapy, I’ve gotten the same results. And sometimes I can go through it and feel like nothing happens. And then in the last 10 minutes, I have this like aha moment of Oh, that’s that piece I needed. That’s what I needed to hear today, or that’s what I needed to feel or let go of or whatever. And so yeah, it’s it’s a wild experience. Unknown Speaker 37:09 Well, and Have you ever experienced do it I’m sorry, the UPS man is gonna drive by my dogs gonna bark. Cris Greer 37:17 I have you ever had the experience that you didn’t feel anything, necessarily shift. And then a week later, you realized the shifting was still happening? Unknown Speaker 37:31 That can happen? Yeah, so sometimes the the groundwork is set, and that needs to kind of integrate and part of why I love the shamanic breathwork is that you have time to integrate. So after you do this breathing, and then you have this wild music playing and you’re in this altered state of consciousness, when you come out of that you’re doing some grounding work, you’re painting or drawing or journaling and putting that on paper, kind of taking a we call it as like a snapshot of your brain on breathwork. You know what’s coming out at that moment. And then we talk about it. And so we kind of integrate it and help you through it and help you see themes in it. And, you know, having a qualified facilitator makes a huge difference in my mind, because you’re able to come out of it. You know, I was talking about this in my facebook group the other day, and I said, the best way I can describe it is think about like you’ve gone on vacation, or you’re at a friend’s house and you fell asleep and you slept like really, really hard and something woke you up or you had to pee in the middle of the night and you get up and you’re like, what, where is the bathroom? Where am I like I thought you’d have that like complete this orientation, you’re still kind of altered, you’re still kind of in dreamland. And that’s the closest thing that I can say is like, what it feels like when you’re first done with brass work until you ground it and until you can make sense of it until you can kind of you know get to the point where you’ve you’ve written it down, you’ve you found the bathroom, you’ve turned on the lights, you’ve washed your face, you know that kind of thing to get you through that process to really find what it is. And so demonic breath work that is part of the process, you don’t just do the breath work you have you go through the processing to, to me that that’s where you get the awareness instead of just being like that was this cool thing that happened today? You know, you get that awareness. And as you do that art process at the end, there’s the UPS man, as you do that art process at the end, you know, you will you may add to it throughout the week. And you may go back to that and be like, Oh, you know what, I remembered this other thing. Or I had that conversation with my mom today. And that triggered this memory of this thing that that came up in the journey. And so yeah, it definitely can take its time to integrate and, and it’s going to be gentler for some people than it is for others and take longer for some of us just depends on what you’re ready for and what you need. Yeah. Cris Greer 39:46 Well, and I feel like what you’re kind of saying to is, you know, that’s definitely going to be worked throughout the chakras but some sacred stuff too, because sacral releasing is you know, not getting attached to what you’re releasing so when you have the memories when you have the feelings and you have the things come back up not holding on to them just knowing that they’re releasing and Unknown Speaker 40:08 you know not getting stuck in the physical experience of it but watching the lesson play through Unknown Speaker 40:15 yeah and that’s part of why i think the shamanic breathwork process was so powerful for me because if you are doing this breath pattern and you are listening to this music that is like pounding loud weird music it’s not like some floaty spa music it’s like loud crazy music you it’s really hard to get it’s stuck in your head everything is going you know think about when you go somewhere you’re like it’s so loud i can’t hear myself think like it’s almost like to that point of it’s hard to get stuck in your head because so much is there to pull you out Cris Greer 40:49 i love that it’s something you did say that i wanted to step back for a second because i think it’s important to touch on you felt the call to do this so you went to a workshop and you explored it a little deeper and the people there you said weren’t really able to facilitate the next level and it took you two years to find your guide your course you’re you’re completely banking teacher that was the word i was Unknown Speaker 41:19 looking for Cris Greer 41:21 and i think that’s important because there’s so many people out in the world who are different teachers and offer different trainings of different programs and it’s finding the right person that resonates with you so i would love because i have my own story of finding my reiki master and it was really powerful for me but i would love to hear your story and then i’d love to share my story about how you found your teacher Unknown Speaker 41:48 i’d have to think about how i really found her because that was like it was like a two year journey i didn’t just exploring anything with breathwork anything with you know shamanic journey i had actually another lovely teacher in town who did shamanic journey with drum and i would go weekly to her little drum circle journeys and that was really nice and lovely for a while and i just i am the kind of person who i’m kind of i call and i call my students this to like the brave soul explorers like you’re out there exploring and just looking for what’s next and where’s the new piece of uncharted territory and so i always see it as kind of like just opening doors so if i hadn’t gone to that workshop i wouldn’t have had that experience i wouldn’t have found just like when we were talking about relationships you know if i hadn’t gone through that first door i wouldn’t have found the next one and so everything is there for a reason everything is there for a lesson you know some of these teachers i want to stick with and i want to keep learning from and i feel so connected to and i resonate with their message and i feel it you know everywhere through my soul and then there’s other teachers where maybe that one course was good but the next one just seemed like it was weird and i didn’t want to do it or maybe there’s one like the coach you were talking about before where i’m like nah not my jam you know but your friend loves her so there’s there’s always somebody for you and it’s just a matter of being open to exploring and being open to that same kind of awareness we have with ourselves where we can fail and make mistakes and learn from it so okay i met with this coach and i didn’t like her but then i learned what maybe i’m looking for like i made my my law of attraction just got a little stronger because now i know that i want a person who is open to me reading books to find it or you know whatever it is if you’re trying to call in a coach if you’re trying to call him something you kind of get clearer on what you want Cris Greer 43:38 absolutely and i love that you know bringing it back to sometimes we have to meet people that don’t jive with us so that we know what we’re really looking for because you know when we just call in something you get whatever you call in and if you’re not specific about what you want then you’re gonna get whatever is closest to you Unknown Speaker 43:58 i kind of almost love when that happens i mean i don’t love it but i think it’s hilarious and that that kind of helps me get through it as i i have kind of a twisted sense of humor and so that kind of helps me sometimes but there are times where i’ll have this person in front of me and i’m like you are everything that i asked for manifested but you’re also horrible things that i would never have asked for so here’s the thing is to make it more specific next time okay lesson learned got it so yeah i do i always think that’s kind of funny when that happens Cris Greer 44:33 yes well and i think it’s you know bringing it back to the body i think it’s important listening to your intuition and and i that’s why i want to talk about this part you know where we’re talking right now is because there’s so many facebook ads there’s so many social media ads of get reiki trained get sean shaman trained to get yoga trained and you know it’s easy to be swayed by images and hobby and and to really listen to your body that you were feeling called the breath work but it took you a while to explore it to really find what you were looking for i did my reiki master almost 20 years ago and at the time it was when all of the massage schools were doing reiki level one and two in a weekend and that did not feel right to me but i knew i was called to reiki but i definitely didn’t feel called to it that way and and so i started researching and reading and learning about the roots of reiki and how there’s a cleanse and a fasting before and you know it was a really neat experience because i was in a workshop a couple hours away i was actually teaching the workshop and this woman walked in and i literally felt myself stand that butt out of my body bow to her and then get back in my body and i was just like what was and you know like i said this was 20 years ago so i was just getting into my journey right and and you know i’m obviously like that was the weirdest thing i’ve ever felt what just happened and like the woman paused but you know it was it was just a really odd thing and then she came up to me at the break and she’s like what happened when i walked in the room and i’m like i don’t know i need you to tell me and she was a reiki master and she had not done reiki mastering i don’t know do you call it reiki mastering reiki attunements she hadn’t done it in like six years so she came back out of air quotes retirement to attune me but you know i share that story because one it was so powerful because i wasn’t as in tune to my body i wasn’t as in tune to my intuition it was just starting to open up but being aware that like that was something yeah digging into that but also knowing i was being called to learn more about reiki but not just jumping on the bandwagon with everybody else like right and really feeling it and knowing that it was for me and that the right experience was for me Unknown Speaker 47:08 yep yep i do and i’m actually in the middle of it now but every so often i do an event in my facebook group and i call it jumpstart your intuition because i talked about like you know diving into your intuition and everybody’s like yes i want more of that but really it’s about awareness and it’s about those different things and one day is all like you’re talking about getting into your body one day is about what does joy feel like in your body and what does fear feel like in your body and that’s one that i feel like is really important to learn because so much of that marketing and that stuff like that is built to say let’s activate fear so that you fight or flight response and you act and you do something yes if you’re joyful and expanded and you feel contented are you going to click on that ad maybe not you know so there is a lot of that that comes through and i think that that’s that’s something that the more we are aware of the more we can see and make those choices like we talked about earlier you know if i’m aware that i’m coming from a fearful place i can decide is that fear something that’s just my inner critic kind of keeping me small and holding me back or is that fear a legitimate fear that’s trying to protect me that i need to listen to and you know so i need to be aware of what’s happening in my body because what’s happening in my logical brain is not always what’s happening in my energetic being of a body so those kinds of things can really make a difference and the more aware you are the more you learn to listen to that i think the different the the more it becomes like natural and practice and like you said 20 years ago you’re just starting your journey and you have this huge experience and you’re like this is something you know they’re i feel like those huge moments happen more in the beginning of your journey because there needs to be something to be like get your attention like it has to scream at you before you hear it and then the more that you practice and the more you get into it you’re able to hear the whispers and so you don’t hear those giant moments anymore or you don’t experience those giant moments as often or maybe at all because you’re hearing them so small and i think that’s hard for people kind of like they’ve been having these big things and then now they feel like they’re on a downslide or they feel like things aren’t happening because they’re not having these big huge moments anymore and i want to say it’s it might be renee brown it was somebody in like one of oprah’s things and they talked about the cotton ball in the brick and so like if spirit or your intuition or whatever is like trying to get your attention and they’re throwing this little cotton ball at you and it’s like popping you in the head like getting hit with this cotton ball and you’re not turning around and you’re that paying attention because it doesn’t hurt it’s not doing anything it’s just there and they throw so many cotton balls at you and spirits getting more and more frustrated and your soul and your intuition is getting more and more tired of lobbing all these cotton balls at you they finally pick up a brick and throw it at your head and you’re like okay i got it it hurts and it sucks and you have to heal from it and you have to go through this whole thing and so the journey is about being aware of the cotton ball so that you don’t have to have the brick thrown at your head you know like the birth can wake you up and that can show you that thing and that’s where that like awakening and awareness i think sometimes get get put together yes sometimes you need that brick to wake you up so that you can learn to find the cotton ball the next time and be like okay got it don’t need that brick this time you know and have less of those moments Cris Greer 50:29 i think that’s a great you know i’ve never heard the brick and the cotton ball but i’m gonna probably reuse that i’m going to find who said it so i can Unknown Speaker 50:36 yeah i want to say it was bernie brown but i could be wrong Cris Greer 50:38 that sounds like her yeah but it definitely is you definitely have those big awakenings and then you’re you’re fine tuned so you don’t need all that when you were talking a moment ago i’m sorry my voice is a little creaky that coach that i said didn’t think i should be reading like the one thing i got from her which was really great and it’s i’ve referenced on calls before i have this ginormous bulletin board full of quotes over my desk and the one thing i write down in that 90 minute call was the thinking mind is not a good gps for your future when you talk about fear and you talk about is it my thinking mind is it my like actual intuition because i personally have been going through something this week so i needed you to say that today to remind me that i made the right choice that i was buying into fear and stead of listening to my body so thank you for sharing that and Unknown Speaker 51:34 i appreciate it yeah yeah and i mean there’s times where you’ll feel when you learn that kind of body awareness what’s fear and what’s joy and there’s like a whole continuum along that because not everything is going to trigger like awesome joy or like terrible fear there’s there’s a continuum and so the more you know that like the cotton ball size up you know pieces of those feelings the better it is to kind of tell you and you may feel like your thinking mind and what you feel in your body completely don’t match up and that’s where you know that something’s not right that something’s you know you’re you’re listening to the wrong voice in your head or whatever it is you know that the body tends to know more what your soul needs than that thinking mind does i agree with that Cris Greer 52:17 well and like our episodes going really long so i think we need to wrap it up one more thing i wanted to say in regards to that is like i had a huge shift three weeks ago where i really moved into my sacred i was really flow in the creativity like it was amazing so like you’re talking about it wasn’t a brick but it was a brick for me because it was a bigger shift than i’d had in a while and so this week i went into the fear and my husband and my son and i are planning this big huge two week trip to peru coming up where we’re going hiking and i got all these fears about like what if we get COVID can’t get back in the country what if we do this what if we do that like completely ready to cancel the entire trip because my thinking mind was taking over and and i think it was some kind of like i don’t ever want to say like when you get so open do you get tested to make sure it’s true because i don’t want to put the pressure on like we get tested yeah but i was definitely getting challenged to see if i was going to revert back to pre shift or if i was going to stay true to myself and true to the shift and it took me three days and it was actually this morning that’s why i was like oh you say that about fear thank you my husband will be appreciative it was this morning that i was like okay that was just me feeling fear like we’re moving forward i’m being silly and it felt freeing you know so listening to my body and you know i share that hoping that that helps some listeners are like oh yeah like i felt constricted instead of expanding Unknown Speaker 53:52 hmm Unknown Speaker 53:55 yeah i think that’s that’s awesome i’m glad i could help Unknown Speaker 53:58 yeah Cris Greer 54:00 and that’s what’s great about these conversations is we all get something from them and we all learn something new and so i know that our listeners are definitely going to check you out and learn more about your breath work so where do you hang out you’ve mentioned facebook are you do you just have a facebook group that anybody can join profile what Unknown Speaker 54:17 do they have where Unknown Speaker 54:18 can they find yeah Unknown Speaker 54:18 facebook is probably the best way to connect because i do have a facebook group where i go live every friday at like 1230 eastern and sometimes it’s just short little tips sometimes it’s a guided meditation if you have questions you put in like requests basically for the week sometimes and i do events from time to time and it’s just a fun way to kind of like stay connected and then of course if you want to work with me you can get in touch with me you know where to find me but if you go to facebook.com slash groups slash shine every day so shine every day is the group and yeah you can definitely request to join there my business is called lighten your space so it’s light in your space calm or on facebook you can find me at lighten your space Cris Greer 55:00 Okay, so everybody’s gonna find you on Facebook. But I’m super excited because you’ve got a new program that’s launching next week. Tell me about your program. Unknown Speaker 55:08 It’s actually it’s not a new program, but it is launching the enrollment is opening. April 5 is when we’re going to start going. So we want to get enrolled, you know, this week before April 5, and it’s a six month program. And the way I’ve got it done is I call it the crash course in self discovery and transformation. And so each week where there’s a little teaching, sometimes we go like we go through each chakra, like we talked about, you know, today with the anatomy of the Spirit, we spend time going through each one for a week. And there’s a teaching that you can watch on replay so you can catch it like in the middle of your busy week, whenever you have time. And there’s a Facebook group set up for everybody in there, you don’t have to be on Facebook, you can get it on zoom. You can email me there’s some private coaching involved with the group. Plus, if you aren’t on Facebook, you have the group to kind of coach with you to ever you guys give great ideas to each other. So it’s kind of nice to see that. And then there’s a weekly opportunity for shamanic breathwork. And that is one thing that you do have to set time aside and you do have to kind of make your your sacred time to do that. But there’s different time opportunities to catch people in different time zones. So each week, there’s a new teaching, there’s time for coaching, there’s shamanic breathwork, and you do what you need to take out of it. And it’s a six month program. So it’s like, super intense, and deep and amazing. And it’s for all those people who love that deep inner work. And so that is open now. And if you tell me that you heard about it on grounding journey, I will make a special, you know, exception and get you in there and, and maybe even get you a free energy work session just because you saw it on here too. So if you are interested in the six month program, I would say find me on Facebook and send me a message or join the Facebook group and I can get you a link to that. The website too. It is long and complicated. So I don’t want to just Chris can put it into the in the links the registration website there. And then also, if you’re in the Facebook group, I can certainly tell you about it. Awesome. Well, I’m Cris Greer 57:09 super excited about it for you. And I think it sounds like a great program. Well, thanks again for being with us. We’re gonna jump into our bonus episode where we’re going to talk about anatomy of spirit, and then all the links and everything will be on grounding journey calm. Thanks so much for being here, Jim. Unknown Speaker 57:25 Thanks. Unknown Speaker 57:27 Thanks for listening today. If you’re seeking deeper conversations, I invite you to visit my website at grounding journey.com or subscribe to my podcast. Transcribed by https://otter.ai Welcome to the bonus episode with Jen Pearson. I’m so excited to talk about anatomy of the Spirit, Carolyn, Miss, if you have not read this, I have been on a deep chakra journey for the last I guess a year now. And it’s not your traditional chakra stuff. And that’s what I love about it is somebody who is not traditional, told me about it. And I was like, Huh, because that person was very much of the sense of take what you like, leave the rest, don’t just follow the masses. And so that’s what Carolyn’s book I think really does is it gives you a different perspective. Unknown Speaker 1:16 When you say, Unknown Speaker 1:17 Yeah, I loved it, because I, I lived my whole life, like playing by the rules, doing what everybody else did, like, trying to fit in, not really honoring that. We were weird side of me until way later. And I feel like that’s exactly who she is. So she was like, a very, I have want to say she’s from New York, like, if you hear her talk, she has this, like very strong Northern accent. And she goes through like very, as it is like telling things black and white. And then she has discovered that she has this ability to be a Medical Medium, and she can like sense people’s ailments and where they’re losing power and how their things are shifting. And she’s like, what the hell do I do with this? And so I think it’s wild to see it from that perspective. And so the way she writes really spoke to me as like, okay, as this logical minded person who has lived this logical mind and life, how do you make sense of things like chakras and whatever else? Like, how does that even fit? And so this was the first book I really read, where I felt like, Oh, I can see how this woowoo crazy stuff makes sense in quote, unquote, real life. And that’s kind of, you know, where everything has gone for me. So that definitely, I mean, I had never heard of chakras outside of yoga, until I was reading this book. And so having someone who’s like, you know, teaching you about body movements, and the way Shockers tended to be presented to me in yoga is completely different than the way it was in this book. Cris Greer 2:51 It definitely is, and being somebody who spent a long time studying them, because I really resonate with my chakras. This was definitely a different aspect of it. And, um, one of my previous episodes early, early on, I think it was back in November, some a did entering the castle, which is the follow up book to this, basically. And so I started with that, and I couldn’t get into it. Because I think you had to understand her premise, at least for me, because I’d studied the chakras so much that it, it came from a different angle. And one of the things I have to throw in here is on the pre questionnaire that you and I had, when I asked what books were interesting. You had said anatomy of the spirit is when you recommend as a primer, sort like a textbook of human energy. And I think that was a great explanation. For anybody listening who is wanting to explore and wanting to learn more, that is a great like, dip your toe in, get comfortable with it, and then dig deeper. Like I wish I had found this five or 10 years ago, when I really started. But as we do we find it at the perfect timing for us. And it was definitely I think when I was reading it, I was going through my heart chakra that month, and it was like khattar poult explosive expansion for me reading what she had to say about the heart chakra. And in her in it. You know, I love what she said about fake like, I’m going through my fake role at the time of recording and I went back like today and read a couple things. I’m like, well, crud, I didn’t remember that. But that’s exactly that revolution I Unknown Speaker 4:31 came up with Yeah, Cris Greer 4:32 we even read this book four months ago. Unknown Speaker 4:34 Yeah, and I love that the end of each like chakra section. She’s got the it’s trying to think questions for self examination. And I feel like I should probably just like every, you know, quarterly, maybe go through each one. And do those all questions like some of them are fantastic. So there’s like teachings on each of the chakras and I love the way to that she puts the chakras overlays it with like the seven sacraments in the Christian tradition and like the tree of life in the Kabbalah and different things like that, where it’s like these these same ideas and these same principles and these same energies, we just use different language. Yeah, we’ve just used different ways to do it. And so, yeah, I do, I do recommend it for people who are, you know, I attract a lot of clients who are on the beginning of their spiritual journey, and still not sure that they’re ready, like, that place that you and I talked about in the podcast, you know, where something’s here. I’m just not sure what it is. I’m not quite sure how far I want to go with it. And when I was kind of in that place, people were giving me things like Barbara Brennan’s hand of hands of light. And I was like, What is this? Like? No, that’s complete craziness. And so when I, when I read anatomy of the Spirit, I was like, oh, okay, I can see now, how these things fit together. And then eventually, I can read Barbara Brennan’s hands of light and feel like, oh, okay, that makes sense. But that that’s not the first book that for me, right to get me anywhere. So that’s why I really like this. And this is one that I feel like her language, her way of talking is very down to earth. It’s very grounded, and it opens up really deep spiritual stuff. In an accessible way. Cris Greer 6:18 Yes, that’s a perfect way to say it. It really does. It makes it understandable. And I know, you know, we talked in our main episode about how my husband’s not on a journey, but he’s beside me on mine. Yeah. And I was reading the heart stuff. And it was so powerful, and I love to just lay in bed at night and read and I’m like, having this massive shift. It’s 1030 at night, I can’t call my friend. I’m reading the chapter to him. And he’s like, Okay, I’m like, you didn’t get it at all. And he like, repeats it back to me. And I’m like, I was listening. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And he’s like, and this is what it means and like, but there’s not that passion. And then I’m moving in, and Unknown Speaker 7:00 now you’re telling it to me, but your Sacral Chakra is not activated right now. Yes. Cris Greer 7:05 Yes. So I know that you have a section tab, I have a couple sections tab. Let’s read a couple things out of it. I don’t know how long this episode is going to be because I forgot to look at the time when we started. But that’s okay. If anybody’s interested, they’ll listen the whole time. So why don’t you share something that you left? Unknown Speaker 7:25 Yeah, I’m gonna go through there’s two little sections that I have here. That one I don’t think I want to go through. So one I we were kind of reading right before we started recording, but it wrapped up so much of what we said in the podcast that I feel like it was amazing. And I I was telling Chris before we started recording, I had found this book, I had not picked it up in a long time I had lent it to people and gotten it back. And apparently I had highlighted and tagged certain pages like years ago and it’s so perfect for what we just talked about today. So the this one passage says we are not born fluent in love, but spend our life learning about it. Its energy is pure power. We are as attracted to love as we are intimidated by it. We’re motivated by love controlled by it, inspired by it, healed by it and destroyed by it. Love is the fuel of our physical and spiritual bodies. Each of life’s challenges is a lesson in some aspect of love. how we respond to these challenges is recorded within our cell tissues. We live within the biological consequences of our biographical choices. And you know, us just talking about our relationships and what we learn from it and, and all those kinds of things. And for whatever reason, I think even at some point, we were like, why are we doing marriage counseling in this? Like, because we were going to read that passage. See how that relates? Cris Greer 8:49 Well, and I love that, you know, the synchronicity of life. Because one of the sections that I had marked to share, which I almost shared in the main episode, and I’m like, No, I feel like that’ll be the bonus episode. But so I’m gonna read this one really quick line, and then I’m gonna read what Matt made with it. Let go of how you thought your life should be an embrace the life but is trying to work its way into your consciousness. So that’s what I did. And the main episode that I was like, I should bring up that but I didn’t. And that’s why because I was aware that consciousness, said, this is one of the things that I love reading about love and heart and how love does at all. We will all have experiences meant to break our hearts. Not in half, but wide open. I wanted to add Why the hell but she doesn’t say that. Unknown Speaker 9:45 She probably did and they edited it out. Unknown Speaker 9:48 you’ve ever heard her face here? Cris Greer 9:53 Regardless of how your heart is broken, your choice is always the same. What will you do with your pain? Will you use it as an excuse to give fear more authority over you? Or can you release the authority of the physical world every you through an act of forgiveness. And I just thought that was so beautiful. And you know, a couple sentences later, the only path towards spiritual consciousness is through the heart. That truth is not negotiable. No matter what spiritual tradition one chooses, as a means to know the Divine Love is divine power. Unknown Speaker 10:32 Yeah, and she talks a lot about power, and how we give our power away and how we need power for healing. And I think that’s really powerful. Cris Greer 10:41 Yes, and, you know, that was one of the other Try not to read everything. One of the things that she talks about is, when we’re our hearts broken, maybe it’s the next page when we’ve experienced that having a ceremony? Yeah, okay. So should you need to share your closure thoughts and a letter to the person do so. But again, make sure your intention is to treat your spirit from yesterday, not to send yet another message of anger. Finally, create an official ceremony for yourself, in which you call your spirit back from your past and release the negative influence of all your wounds? Unknown Speaker 11:21 Yeah, yeah. And I feel like when we were talking about going through that, that healing, and that dark night, and the, you know, bad relationship, ending kind of stuff. Once we’re able to do that, that’s when we’re able to be in that mindset that we were talking about, of like, thank it for what it is, and for where it got us and, you know, don’t regret it. But yeah, once your energy has been called back, then you don’t have those things, those ties left to it. Cris Greer 11:50 Well, and I think that breathwork, you know, is a great way to call yourself back. Because sometimes, when we are so deep, coming out of our dark night coming out of the pain, even, you know, I’ve been through some stuff that I would definitely not call my dark night when I compared to what I think of as my dark knight. But there’s some challenging times that we all experience, especially COVID time right now. But there’s that sometimes you can’t get all the way out of it yourself. Like you know, you’re coming, you know, you’re getting out of it. And I just imagine that breathwork is that great tool to help kind of, you know, pull you over the back over the cliff, because you’ve climbed up the rope, and now somebody has grabbed the robe and pulled with you. Unknown Speaker 12:33 It can be and it really brings you into the present moment. Because like I said, it’s so there’s the music going and the breathing pattern and you don’t have time to go. Did I unplug the toaster? What What about I shouldn’t have said that thing to my boss, or what’s going to happen on Tuesday, like you are right there in that moment. And so you’re getting that, you know, your power is centered in that moment with you while you’re there, which is wild. Yeah. Cris Greer 12:57 Well, it’s been such a fun conversation with you today. Jen, I’m so glad that we connected. I’m so glad you’re nearby. Yeah, and all this list, I can come see you. And we can fit in like, you know, we kind of retiming ourselves on this conversation. But I’d love to just be like, let’s spend half a day a day with coffee, or something and just Unknown Speaker 13:14 talk about my books you bring yours. Unknown Speaker 13:17 Wonderful. Unknown Speaker 13:18 Yeah, yeah. So again, give everybody your website and your Facebook group so they can find you. Unknown Speaker 13:26 Yeah, website is lightened your space calm. And the Facebook group is called shine every day. So if you do facebook.com slash groups slash shine every day, you’ll find me there. Great. Well, I Cris Greer 13:37 know that I’m going to be checking you out because I definitely feel the call to breathwork. Don’t know how to do it. I struggle with it. And so I’m super excited to learn more from you. And thanks again for being a guest. We’ll have all of the information on grounding journey calm. And thanks for your time today. Jen. Unknown Speaker 13:55 Thank you. Unknown Speaker 13:57 Thank you for listening today. I would love for you to join in on the conversation by following me on Facebook or Instagram at grounding journey. That’s where I get to connect with you and other women like us. Transcribed by https://otter.ai
